Choosing between Toyota Prius and Honda insight and why I chose Prius:
It has been a very difficult choice for me, as I was so in love with my ’09 Civic Hybrid, but now I’m a proud 3rd Generation Prius driver – 2010 Prius II to be precise. My main reason for the switch was the fact that I needed a recognizable hybrid for work purposes, while my Civic Hybrid looked just like any other Civic, with the exception for special aluminum wheels and a “Hybrid” sticker on the trunk. The actual switching process is what I wanted to talk about as there is a lot to say. From choosing the right Prius package to getting the right deal on trade-in and the car itself, I had to jump through hoops to be almost satisfied.
When the Honda Insight just came out back in March 2009, I test-drove it and did an extensive review and comparison of Honda Insight and Civic Hybrid. Back then I was not much impressed by Insight, but later came to appreciate it more. Yet, when it cam time to upgrade from my now “aging” 2009 Civic hybrid, I had to make a difficult choice between Insight and Prius. In part this choice was influenced by Honda sales managers so unwilling to give a deal.
Unfortunately I was looking to buy during and right after the notorious Cash for Clunkers program, which brought in a lot of buyers to the car dealerships, and gave the sales managers false feeling of a recovery in the auto industry. This false feeling lasted about a moths past the and of Cash for Clunkers program, at which point they realized that sales of new cars dropped significantly, since people who wanted to buy a new car, did it and got a rebate, while others were not going to buy anyway.
Too bad for me and later for Honda, while the sales managers were uncooperative in giving me a deal (though I bought a few cars from them over the last few years), my odometer kept rolling and I had over 31000 miles at the time I finally got a Prius.
Trading in 2009 Civic Hybrid:
My first and main concern was to get the right amount of money for my 1 year old Civic. Thanks to Honda’s recent release of their reinvented Insight hybrid, I instantly lost about $3000 of equity in my Civic as the new insight could be bought for about $19200 + fees and registration / taxes / title costs. A comparably equipped Insight (EX model without navigation) was about $21200. Still, my civic, brand new off the dealership floor was $24340 plus fees, and I could not sell it for that money anymore (even if it had zero miles). It is difficult to explain or understand how the new – used car market works, especially when the same car maker releases a new, yet very similar model for $3000-4000 less, creating competition within its own product line. But that was the situation in which I ended up and I had 3 choices:
1) Keep my “old” Civic Hybrid - well, since I needed a recognizable hybrid, this would only be an option if I did not get what I wanted for my trade-in.
2) Get 2010 Honda Insight
3) Get 2010 Toyota Prius
Since 2010 Prius (3rd Gen) was already out and it is in my opinion a much better car than 2009 Prius (Gen 2), choice on the Toyota’s side was obvious. Now the contest was between Insight and Prius. These to cars look very similar, yet they are so different. For the sake of argument, lets skip the Hybrid technologies in each of these cars, as for me, both work well. I will only mention that Integrated Motor Assists in Honda hybrids works very well, despite the Toyota salesmen trying to tell you otherwise. Also both Insight and Prius get VERY similar gas mileage in Green Mode for Insight and ECO mode for Prius.
For me the criteria for choosing a car were more aesthetic. I had some unresolvable issues with Insight body (although it looks so similar to Prius), while Prius I find to be very “sexy” looking.
On the inside, I lake Insight MUCH more. There is so many more options for me to stuff my small things all over the car. And I have a LOT of small things which I always need in the car. In Prius you only have two side pockets in front doors, space under arm rest and under center control panel. Glove compartment (bottom one) barely fits the papers and user manuals and the top one is almost useless. Rear doors in Prius do not have side pockets which is kind of annoying, as I always used those in my Civic.
As for the trunk space – I loved the fact that Toyota included a pull-out trunk cover by default while Honda does not have it and you NEED to buy one, unless you want people breaking into your car to steal your stuff. Also the fold-down armrest of the rear seat is a nice addition to Prius as compared vs. insight.
Breaks: Toyota has 4 disk breaks, while Insight is a split disk / drum breaks. I find it strange for an higher end 2010 car to have “cheap” drum breaks, instead of all-four disk breaks.
Using a hybrid car for recreational / personal needs:
Despite of the above mentioned negatives of the new Prius, it is an excellent vehicle, and perfectly fits my needs for recreation and work. As far as recreation goes, I like outdoor activities and my 2009 Civic hybrid was really annoying when it came to hauling lard objects. It had a very small trunk, even compared to the regular Civic. The rear sits did not fold forward to expand trunk space, due to battery pack placement. I had to get a roof rack for the snowboards and skies if I wanted to go skiing with my friends, as these long object did not even fit in the rear sit. I had to use a bike rack to transport my bicycle, and I was always afraid it would come loose and fly off on the highway.
The bike rack also significantly reduced my gas mileage. I recorded my mpg over a 120 miles trip to and from Cape Cod, and noticed a drop of about 9-10 miles per gallon/. From my average of 45, it went down to 36 mpg, only because of a huge wind resistance added by the rack and the bike. It was also a big hassle to put the bike on and take it off, each time I needed it and I was always afraid someone might steal it. In the end, Prius is roomy enough to fit all my gear and potential passengers. An average snowboarding / skiing trip from Boston to Wachusett mountain ski area with all boards, skies and other equipment consumes about 2.5 gallons of gas. If I was driving my Civic hybrid with a roof rack, I would go through about 3.5 gallons of gas. A Honda Accord / Toyota Camry with a roof rack, would use 4.5 gallons or 4 gallons without roof rack.
Using Toyota prius for work as a roofing estimator’s vehicle:
Although recreational use of Toyota Prius is fun and bring me much joy from both the usability and comport standpoints, the may purpose of getting a hybrid car (first the Civic hybrid and now Prius) in the first place, was my roofing business. I do a lot of work related driving – about 60-70% of my total mileage, and hybrid car is a perfect choice not only for a green roofing contractor like myself, but for almost any estimator in a construction industry, as well as most “on-the-road” sales people. Nature of our business dictates that our roofing jobs are spread around Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Connecticut. Green flat roofs such as IB PVC roofing and Metal Roofs are premium products with adequate price tag, so we usually don’t work in the same neighborhood, job after job after job. Most homeowners will choose the non environmentally friendly, but cheaper roofs such as asphalt shingles and EPDM rubber roofing (for flat roofs). Therefore, we need operate in a larger geographic area than an average roofing contractor, who is diving his Diesel F-250 around town, and to work. We be greener, we have to compensate for the extra-mile we drive by lowering our fuel consumption.
Being a roofing contractor, specializing in green roofing technologies such as cool flat roofs and lifetime metal roofing materials, as wells as roof-top gardens, we needed a car that would consume little fuel, and of course enhance our image as a green construction company. The car also had to be reliable and versatile / capable to carry all product samples and sales materials as wells as equipment and even a small ladder to get on the roof. While Civic Hybrid was economical and reliable, it lacked the utility of bigger cars and did not appeal to most people as a hybrid – the only way to know it was a hybrid, was to read the small “hybrid” label on the trunk and by looking at futuristic rims. Still, 90 percent of people did not recognize that it was in fact a hybrid car until I mentioned it.
Prius had everything I needed in a hybrid: It is spacious for a compact sedan – there is plenty of legroom both in the front and back seat. The trunk space is big enough to hold all my roofing samples, small tools, an 11 feet telescopic ladder and my folding bike, to go for a bike ride after an estimate.
I can also fit on the rear seat all the tools and materials needed to go on a rubber roof repair call, which we provide to homeowners in MA, CT and RI. When a home-owner has a shady roofing contractor install rubber roof which begins to leak soon, and the contractor is no where to be found, it may be too expensive for these people to have another brand new roof installed. Often such roofs can be repaired, which we do for as little as $350. However, most roofing contractors will drive their truck to work with lots of unnecessary tools in the tool box and ladders on the rack, and waste a lot of fuel. In every case of a rubber roof repair we did, I used a prius to get there and all my tools as supplies fit perfectly in the back seat.
Now you may ask – how I as a roofing contractor can get around doing roof estimates and even roof repair work driving a compact car – don’t I need a ladder to get up on the roof? Answer is YES. I do need a ladder, and no, I do not tie a 28-footer to the roof of my Prius. Before we go on a roofing estimate or a roof service call, I will ask if the homeowner has a ladder tall enough to reach the roof. You may be surprised, but most people do have a long enough ladder, and allow me to use it, so I can easily get by with driving my Prius to look at or repair a leaking roof. Only on a rare occasion do I need to take my Toyota Tundra pick-up truck to bring the necessary ladders or extra equipment / materials to the job-site. I only remember about 7 such occasions in the last year and a half since I started doing this.
Toyota is also an excellent choice to get to the job which is located within a normal driving distance for an average morning commute. I’d pick up my guys and we would go to work in a my car if needed tools, materials and ladders were already on the job-site. This is never the first or the last day of the roof installation, but rather some days in the middle, when I do not need a truck to just get to work. I will use the truck to deliver materials and equipment and drive the car on other days, when I don’t need to haul heavy or bulky things.
3rd Gen Toyota Prius Optional Equipment and Packages:
Prius come in five optional packages, numbered from 1 to 5. Package 1 is virtually non-existent in the US market (or at least in New England). I chose package 2, which is more on the basic side, but has all power options (power doors / windows). Basic package 3 costs exactly $1000 more than package 2, and is in my opinion a complete waste of money. The only difference between packages 2 and 3 is the upgrade to a 6-disc CD changer and 8-speaker audio system. After using Civic’s USB hook-up and an 8 GB USB thumb drive to hold all my music, now I personally hate CDs and do not need a CD changer which is slow and makes annoying sounds. 8 speakers vs. 6 speakers is also not a huge improvement to justify paying extra thousand.
Still, there is a purpose for package 3. The only way you can upgrade to the built in GPS Navigation or the so much advertised, yet completely useless Solar Sun Roof, is to have at least a package 3 Prius. Cost of this upgrade is $3600 and you cannot get one without the other.
Built-in GPS / Navi:
I love my little Garmin GPS and hate every single built-in navigation system I encountered, including the ones in luxury cars like Lexus. When you look for “fast food” on a Garmin, it give you the closest junk food joints, based on distance. If you try to do the same using a built in navigation of either Honda or Toyota, unless you first specify your city and state, you will get some McDonald’s and Wendy’s in Alabama or Nebraska - literally! If you need to type in some weird address which built in Navi does none recognize by the first two street numbers, it won’t let you proceed. I once spent over 30 minutes searching for an address which was pretty much around the corner.
When I test-drove the package 3 prius with Navi, I entered a place nearby, but went in a different direction. The GPS would not shut up and kept telling me to “make a u-ture in point three miles”. Even the toyota salesman could not figure out how to stop the current route.
And the worst of all, the position and angle of a built-in GPS unit make in impossible to see, when sun hits the screen, which happens a lot during the day. Basically, portable navigation is the best. I just hope I can figure out a turn by turn navigation on my iPhone and I won’t need any GPS at all.
The “awesome” Solar Sun Roof:
This in my opinion as a complete scam on the part of Toyota. The Solar PV panels mounted on the roof of a Prius do not charge the battery pack. They waste energy on running the fan to keep car’s interior space the same temperature as outside. Who needs interior fan for their car parked most of the day? You would only need it if you drove kids or pets in your car all day and had a bad habit of leaving them in the car, which is a bad habit anyway. Ok, you can’t always take your pet with you to the store – leave a small crack in the windows open – car will self ventilate. And if you plan to live your pet in the car for more than 5-10 minutes to get something from the store, why do you have your pet with you?
The sun roof is a sun roof – it is cool to have, completely useless 99% of the time, but keeps your resale value up. While I could live with the Solar Roof – the coolest invention since blue jeans, the GPS was an absolute NO for me.
Packages 4 and 5 are more on a luxury side and come with 17″ alloy wheels, GPS/Solar Roof, and only GPS in a package 5, but with the optional technology package, which is really cool but not worth $33000+. For just a bit more, you can get a Lexus 250h hybrid.
Pros, cons and other mixed feelings:
Based on all of the above reasons I went with simple, yet very nice package 2 and am very happy with it. Overall, the prius completely satisfies my needs and wants. I wanted luxury at first, so I test drove the Lexus hybrid, but realized that I did not need / want it, and it also took away the hybrid image, which Prius presents and is recognized for. The only thing that really annoys me about my Prius, is the lack of USB plug, which should be standard in this otherwise technologically advanced car.
Really Toyota – how could you screw it up so much? It is so simple to provide a simple USB plug – the sound system already recognizes mp3 format, and there is an auxiliary line-in connection. Now i have to go through my iPhone to find a song I need and there is a million of wires and cables all over the car so I can listen to Pandora online radio. Honda is SO much better in this regard…
Still, Prius is awesome, and I got a decent trade value from Toyota, while Honda lost a sale. It is especially strange since when I was shopping for my new car, the two Boch dealerships, Toyota and Honda, which are located side by side on Route 1 in Norwood, MA, had a VERY different inventory. There were over 15 Insights on Honda’s lot, and not a single 3rd Gen Prius to test-drive, and over 15 cars with “sold” sticker in the windshield. Still, Honda would not give me a deal on a car which was clearly loosing the “great battle of hybrid”. Insight which is supposed to be the economy hybrid, costs almost as much as comparably equipped Prius, yet lacks the trunk space cover, and does not look nearly as sexy as Prius. It is a shame in my opinion that Honda blew this opportunity to make a great hybrid and market / sell it well.